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Қазақша Уикипедия форумына қош келдіңіз!

Форум сегіз бөлімнен тұрады — техникалық қателерін, саясаттары мен ережелерін және Уикипедияның іс-әрекеттерін талқылау үшін пайдаланылады. Төменгі кестеден ең тиісті бөлімін тауып, немесе былайғылар деген бөлімінде хабарлама қосыңыз. Хабарламаңыздың соңына (~~~~ дегенді теріп, немесе аспаптар жақтауындағы қолтаңба белгішесін басып) қолтаңбаңызды қойыңыз. Уикипедияшылардың telegram тобына қосылыңыз

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Егер сіз өзіңіздің мәселеңізді форумның қай бөліміне жазу керектігін білмесеңіз, «Ұсыныстар» бөліміне жазуыңызға болады — сол жерде сізге қатысушылар қатары бағыт көрсетеді немесе сіздің сұрағыңызды, ескертпеңізді, арызыңызды немесе ұсынысыңызды керек бөлімге көшіреді.

Форумның қайсысы болсын беттерінде маған жауап жазу үшін қатынас мақсатында деп өзіңіздің e-mail, ICQ және басқа контактілеріңізді жарияламаңыз. Сіздің сұрағыңыз жауапсыз қалмайды, ал сіздің көрсеткен ақпараттарыңыз спамерлер үшін нысана болуы мүмкін.

Форумның бөлімдері	Талқылайтын тақырыптары	Әрекет
Сұрақтар	Уикипедияға мақала жазу, өңдеу және тағы басқа сұрақтарыңызды қоя аласыз.
Жаңалықтар	Уикипедияға қатысты жаңалықтарды талқылау.
Ережелер	Бар және ұсынылған ережелер үшін.
Техникалық	Техникалық қателіктерді талқылау үшін. MediaWiki бағдарламасының қателіктері үшін MediaZilla торабын қолданыңыз.
Ұсыныстар	Ережелерге қатысы жоқ жаңа ұсыныстарды талқылау үшін.
Басқалар	Қайсыбір басқа санаттарға жатпайтын мәліметтерді талқылау үшін.
Қателер туралы хабарлау	Уикипедияда кездесетін әртүрлі қателерді хабарлау үшін.
Администраторлар форумы	Уикипедияда администраторларының форумы

Question

Напишу здесь на русском языке, поскольку вижу в Казахстане лучше его понимают, чем английский. У меня возник вопрос: почему аглоязычний текст пишеться не как в оригинале, а своеобразным казахицированым способом.--KHMELNYTSKYIA (талқылауы) 19:13, 2018 ж. шілденің 10 (+06)

Hello! Could you please clarify which article are you talking about?--Batyrbek (талқылауы) 11:11, 2018 ж. шілденің 11 (+06)

Hi! So, thank you for the quick response. For example, even your text is written so: "Һелло! Цоұлд ёұ плеасе цларіфy уһіцһ артіцле аре ёұ талкінг абоұт". I think it is a bit strange. There may be a problem with my language settings.--KHMELNYTSKYIA (талқылауы) 23:27, 2018 ж. шілденің 11 (+06)

Yes, you're right! You can check in your phone's settings. I am not sure what exactly, but I'm guessing it's something called 'Locale' or whatever. If you use English as a main language in your phone, then there won't be these kind of glitches. --Batyrbek (талқылауы) 11:31, 2018 ж. шілденің 12 (+06)

Editing News #2—2018

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Tap on the pencil icon to start editing. The page will probably open in the wikitext editor.

You will see another pencil icon in the toolbar. Tap on that pencil icon to the switch between visual editing and wikitext editing.

Remember to publish your changes when you're done.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

Recent changes

• The Editing team has published an initial report about mobile editing.
• The Editing team has begun a design study of visual editing on the mobile website. New editors have trouble doing basic tasks on a smartphone, such as adding links to Wikipedia articles. You can read the report.
• The Reading team is working on a separate mobile-based contributions project.
• The 2006 wikitext editor is no longer supported. If you used that toolbar, then you will no longer see any toolbar. You may choose another editing tool in your editing preferences, local gadgets, or beta features.
• The Editing team described the history and status of VisualEditor in this recorded public presentation (starting at 29 minutes, 30 seconds).
• The Language team released a new version of Content Translation (CX2) last month, on International Translation Day. It integrates the visual editor to support templates, tables, and images. It also produces better wikitext when the translated article is published. [1]

Let's work together

• The Editing team wants to improve visual editing on the mobile website. Please read their ideas and tell the team what you think would help editors who use the mobile site.
• The Community Wishlist Survey begins next week.
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly. We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation. Рақмет!

—Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

20:17, 2018 ж. қарашаның 2 (+06)

Editing News #1—July 2019

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

Edit Cards

This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases

The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:

1. Section editing
   • The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
   • The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
2. Loading overlay
   • The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects

This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.

• Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲 Try Edit Cards.
• Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
• Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
• Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use. The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

• Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to the team about how editing can be improved.
• Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more

The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

00:32, 2019 ж. шілденің 24 (+06)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages

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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help

What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team wants your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk pages project

The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor

The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards

What happens when you click on a link. The new Edit Card is bigger and has more options for editing links.

• On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
• There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
• Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar

The editing toolbar is changing in the mobile visual editor. The old system had two different toolbars. Now, all the buttons are together. Tell the team what you think about the new toolbar.

• In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
  • One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
  • New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
  • Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
• Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania

The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

• Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
• Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
• Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The Editing team hopes to share results in November. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

17:12, 2019 ж. қазанның 29 (+06)

WikiGap 2020 Russia

Уважаемые коллеги, пожалуйста выскажите своё мнение по поводу баннерной кампании CentralNotice для объявления о российском викимарафоне WikiGap 2020 (8 марта - 8 мая, все IP из России, только Википедии, 1 показ в неделю). Спасибо. JukoFF (талқылауы) 15:02, 2020 ж. ақпанның 27 (+06)

1 сәуірге орай Басты бетті өзгерту

Қайырлы күн, құрметті Уикипедия қатысушылары. 1 сәуір күні Алдар көсенің туған күні, яғни күлкі күні, осыған орай Басты бетті күлкілі етіп өзгертсек. Орыс Уикипедиясы жыл сайын өзгертіп отырады-мыс. Ұсыныс мынадай. Ортаға салып талқылайық, қосарыңыз болса, қарсылық не қолдау болса, жазып отырыңыз.--Мұхамеджан А.А. (талқылау) 16:45, 2020 ж. наурыздың 26 (+06)

Жақсы идея бірақ қазіргі пандемияға байланысты орынсыз деп ойлаймын және де онсызда қазуикидің сапасы сын көтермейтін жағдайда одан әрі беделі түсіп кететін сияқты. Сондықтан мен қарсымын --Kasymov ^Т 16:58, 2020 ж. наурыздың 28 (+06)

Аса кісі қызығатын дүние емес екен. Өз тілімізді қорлаудан басқа ештеңе де емес. Қарсымын. -Нұрлан Рахымжанов 14:13, 2020 ж. наурыздың 29 (+06)

 Қолдаймын--Kaiyr (талқылауы) 17:10, 2020 ж. наурыздың 29 (+06)

 Қолдаймын Ешқандай сөкеттік көріп тұрғам жоқ. Қайта кей адамдарға ой салуы мүмкін. Batyrbek (талқылауы) 21:44, 2020 ж. наурыздың 31 (+06)

Бос тірлік, хайп жасау үшін инстаграмға көт ашып түсу керек бітті , ал бұндаймен бос уақыт шығындағаннан басқа ешқандай пайда жоқ --Аrysтanbek (талқылауы) 23:38, 2020 ж. наурыздың 29 (+06)

 Қолдаймын --User 0100 (талқылауы) 00:03, 2020 ж. сәуірдің 1 (+06)

Енді әлем бұрыңғыдай мүлдем болмайды, бұрыңғыдай жеңіл желпі тірліктер өз-өзін ақтамайды, кім ғылым білімді игереді, сол ғана бұл әлемде ары қарай жасайды, ескі әдіс тәсілдер жаңа заман талаптарына сай келмейді, мүлдем жаңаша ойлау мен жаңаша әдіс тәсілдер ғана өміршең болады. --Аrysтanbek (талқылауы) 23:45, 2020 ж. наурыздың 29 (+06)

Қарсымын --Магпар (талқылауы) 10:00, 2020 ж. сәуірдің 1 (+06)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools

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This early version of the Reply tool automatically signs and indents comments.

The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.

In a future update, the team plans to test a tool for easily linking to another user's name, a rich-text editing option, and other tools.

The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.

• On 31 March 2020, the new reply tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias: Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian. If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
• The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page. The team will test features such as:
  • an easy way to mention another editor ("pinging"),
  • a rich-text visual editing option, and
  • other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved" section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

01:24, 2020 ж. сәуірдің 9 (+06)

Help with translation

(I apologize for posting in English ): Dear colleagues, We are organizing a project called WPWP that focus on the use of images collected as part of various contest and photowalks on Wikipedia articles across all languages and our team needs your help with translations into the language of this community. Here is the translation link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Wikipedia+Pages+Wanting+Photos&language=en&action=page&filter= I am sorry if I post in the won't venue. Thanks in anticipation. T Cells (талқылауы) 22:30, 2020 ж. сәуірдің 13 (+06)

Editing news 2020 #2

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The new features include a toolbar. What do you think should be in the toolbar?

This issue of the Editing newsletter includes information the Talk pages project, an effort to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily.

• Reply tool: This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature is called "Discussion tools". The Beta Feature will get new features soon. The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing @. You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster now. Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
• New requirements for user signatures: Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable. Most editors will not be affected.
• New discussion tool: The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions. You can see the initial design on the project page.
• Research on the use of talk pages: The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles. We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

– Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

02:33, 2020 ж. маусымның 18 (+06)

Editing news 2020 #3

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More than 50 million edits have been made using the visual editor on desktop.

Seven years ago this month, the Editing team offered the visual editor to most Wikipedia editors. Since then, editors have achieved many milestones:

• More than 50 million edits have been made using the visual editor on desktop.
• More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
• The visual editor is increasingly popular. The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has increased every year since its introduction.
• In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers (logged-in editors with ≤99 edits) used the visual editor. This percentage has increased every year.
• Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
• On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor. 🚀 👩‍🚀
• Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode. You can enable it in your preferences.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

18:55, 2020 ж. шілденің 9 (+06)

Alumni and Mentors of Russia 2020

Уважаемые коллеги, пожалуйста выскажите своё мнение по поводу баннерной кампании CentralNotice для объявления о российском конкурсе статей Конкурсы/Выпускники и наставники России 2020 (20 августа - 10 ноября 2020, все IP из России, Википедии, 1 показ в две недели). Спасибо. JukoFF (талқылауы) 23:26, 2020 ж. тамыздың 10 (+06)

Proposal: Set two-letter project shortcuts as alias to project namespace globally

Please help translate to your language

Hello everyone,

I apologize for posting in English. I would like to inform everyone that I created a new global request for comment (GRFC) at Meta Wiki, which may affect your project: m:Requests for comment/Set short project namespace aliases by default globally.

In this GRFC, I propose that two-project shortcuts for project names will become a default alias for the project namespace. For instance, on all Wikipedias, WP will be an alias to the Wikipedia: namespace (and similar for other projects). Full list is available in the GRFC.

This is already the case for Wikivoyages, and many individual projects asked for this alias to be implemented. I believe this makes it easier to access the materials in the project namespace, as well as creating shortcuts like WP:NPOV, as well as helps new projects to use this feature, without having to figure out how to request site configuration changes first.

As far as I can see, Уикипедия currently does not have such an alias set. This means that such an alias will be set for you, if the GRFC is accepted by the global community.

I would like to ask all community members to participate in the request for comment at Meta-Wiki, see m:Requests for comment/Set short project namespace aliases by default globally.

Please feel free to ask me if you have any questions about this proposal.

Best regards,
--Martin Urbanec (talk) 20:12, 2021 ж. ақпанның 18 (+06)

WikiGap 2021 Russia

Уважаемые коллеги, пожалуйста выскажите своё мнение по поводу баннерной кампании CentralNotice для объявления о российском викимарафоне WikiGap 2021 (8 марта - 8 мая, все IP из России, только Википедии, 1 показ в неделю). Спасибо. --Dmitry Rozhkov (талқылауы) 06:34, 2021 ж. наурыздың 7 (+06)

Wikimania 2021: Individual Program Submissions

Dear all,

Wikimania 2021 will be hosted virtually for the first time in the event's 15-year history. Since there is no in-person host, the event is being organized by a diverse group of Wikimedia volunteers that form the Core Organizing Team (COT) for Wikimania 2021.

Event Program - Individuals or a group of individuals can submit their session proposals to be a part of the program. There will be translation support for sessions provided in a number of languages. See more information here.

Below are some links to guide you through;

• Program Submissions
• Session Submission Guidelines
• FAQ

Please note that the deadline for submission is 18th June 2021.

Announcements- To keep up to date with the developments around Wikimania, the COT sends out weekly updates. You can view them in the Announcement section here.

Office Hour - If you are left with questions, the COT will be hosting some office hours (in multiple languages), in multiple time-zones, to answer any programming questions that you might have. Details can be found here.

Best regards,

MediaWiki message delivery (талқылауы) 10:18, 2021 ж. маусымның 16 (+06)

On behalf of Wikimania 2021 Core Organizing Team

Editing news 2021 #2

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When newcomers had the Reply tool and tried to post on a talk page, they were more successful at posting a comment. (Source)

Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:

• Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
• The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Discussion tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

20:14, 2021 ж. маусымның 24 (+06)

GFDL

Hi! I made a suggestion at МедиаУики талқылауы:Licenses to remove GFDL from the list of suggested licenses. I guess not many users watch that page. I just wanted to inform users of my suggestion. If there is a better place please let me know or make a notice for me. Thank you. --MGA73 (талқылауы) 18:31, 2021 ж. шілденің 3 (+06)